Hostel Sex: Is It Acceptable?
Is having sex in a hostel dorm acceptable? Alun was awoken by two people enjoying themselves in full view, something he didn't sign up for. Tune in to hear the full story, as we share our thoughts on what the best course of action is, whether you get lucky or if you're subjected to a live show without warning. We've all been there... haven't we?
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00:00 - Intro
03:09 - Alun's Busan plan
09:39 - Front row seats to the hostel dorm sex show
22:16 - Adam's recent and not so recent experiences
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TRANSCRIPT:
Alun:
[0:02] Hello, and welcome to this episode of Tripology. It's my favourite backing-packing show. Is it yours?
Welcome to Tripology
Alun:
[0:10] I'm Alun, and I'm here with the ever-sleepless Adam.
Adam:
[0:16] Welcome back, everyone, for another episode of Tripology. We're very, very glad to be joined by each and every one of you. I'm sure that you've spent the last week installing bidets and bum guns in your houses. If you haven't been doing that, then you need to listen to last week's episode alan my friend how are you doing all the way over in south korea.
Alun:
[0:33] I'm good mate i've been inundated with messages from loyal listeners feeling ever so attacked by my vitriolic rant about arse wiping and bidets and bomb guns and all that sort of stuff but we're recovering slowly it.
Adam:
[0:50] Is sort of an added bonus isn't it this podcast people going i thought this was a i thought this was a travel show but maybe it's a hygiene show uh good fun mate loved it.
Alun:
[0:59] Well can't it be both mate can't it be both the travel show and a hygiene show and a culinary dietary show and a historical show and all that sort of jazz everyone's so concerned with finding a niche these days well.
Adam:
[1:15] I think travel uh is all of those all of the above isn't it It's absolutely everything. It can be an economic show. It can be informative, but we never talk about that stuff because it's boring.
Alun:
[1:24] Yeah, and also we don't have access to the economic market on accounts of how we're both poor.
Adam:
[1:32] You don't look poor. You look great. You look good in that denim jacket. If you're not a video watcher, if you're not watching this on video and you only listen to the audio, you won't be benefiting. But Alun's sporting a wonderful denim jacket. Did you buy that over in Korea or is that one you took from your homeland of Scotland?
Alun:
[1:47] I took this from the homeland of Scotland. I've had this denim jacket for many years, but the problem is with an item like this is if you choose to take it traveling, you are bound to wear it every single day because obviously it's not very packable. It doesn't really fit in the backpack. So there is not a day gone by in Korea, apart from the days where I've washed
Alan's Denim Jacket
Alun:
[2:08] it, that I've not worn this.
Adam:
[2:10] Day gone by sounds like a Korean city. Yeah, it's the one that you wear on the plane, isn't it? It's that one. yes this is my plane jacket heavy heavy as um but yeah what i want to say is obviously the kimchi you've been eating lots of kimchi because i can tell that you're looking younger you've got a fantastic complexion you're getting enough sleep apart from the adjective for me this week was sleepless i did have a shave actually which um everyone's probably thinking my god i don't look 35 um but i can't wait to hear more of what has been going on in your life because we haven't spoken even off air for quite a long time yeah.
Alun:
[2:47] And that's by design adam because i was.
Adam:
[2:50] You.
Alun:
[2:52] Know i like space and i've been i've been traversing south korea for some time now i'd left seoul just just left seoul last time we spoke and i was just kind of meandering down i've
Adventures in South Korea
Alun:
[3:06] been all over korea now i i've basically completed my journey here and i'm resting currently in busan.
Adam:
[3:14] Where i'm trying.
Alun:
[3:16] Frantically to get a job before moving to uh to japan for a year because although the podcast you know it's good for some money and thank you so much to everyone supporting us on patreon it frankly is unable to sustain my full-time lifestyle so i will have to get a little job and if you want to sort of stop that from happening you have to go in your droves to patreon right now please.
Adam:
[3:43] Yeah 80 of your salary forward it to patreon and then uh and 100 of that will go to alan so that um the show can continue uh but that's interesting mate i do think that's a good idea i think that's smart i think busan is a city that you could uh do that in i think it's, Get some emails out to people who you might be working for in the future.
Job Hunting in Busan
Adam:
[4:10] Seems smart. Good use of your time.
Alun:
[4:11] Thank you. Yeah, I feel like it's a good use of my time. In my time traversing Korea, though, I've been to a lot of different places. Some of them you may have been to and some of them you've not. Let me list them for you now. I've been to Jianju.
Adam:
[4:24] Yeah, just south of Seoul. Well, not far.
Alun:
[4:26] Yeah.
Adam:
[4:26] Same sort of side. Yeah, went there. Loved it.
Listing Korean Cities
Alun:
[4:29] I've been to Guangju.
Adam:
[4:32] Is that north of Busan? No, hang on. That's on the way down to old Mokpo and over to, is that right? It's my, I haven't got a map. Yeah, so I didn't go there. I wanted to go there, but I don't think I did actually.
Alun:
[4:45] I've been to Gyeongju. No, sorry, Gyeongju.
Adam:
[4:52] Gyeongju, which, is that the one that's north of Busan?
Alun:
[4:55] Yeah, that's just north of Busan.
Adam:
[4:57] Yeah, okay, so I went there. Yeah, like that. We're rapidly losing a lot of South Korean listeners.
Alun:
[5:02] We're just listing South Korean places.
Adam:
[5:06] That to our ears sound all the same. I wonder if to them actually.
Alun:
[5:10] This is the problem, mate. I've been to Gyeongju, Gwangju, Gyeongju, and Jeju. And to my ear, those are all essentially indistinguishable words. You run into it a lot when you're traveling in South Korea. You'll say to someone, oh, hi, how are you going? Have you been to Jeju? Yeah, I've been to Jeju. You've been to Gyeongju? Or they'll be like, yeah, I have. And I'll be like, oh, you've been to Gyeongju? And they'll be like, no, no, that I mean Gyeongju. Have you been to Gwangju? It gets really complicated really, really quickly.
Adam:
[5:40] Yeah. I mean, maybe I did go to all of them. I just didn't realize. I just thought I was in the same one.
Alun:
[5:44] It's exacerbated by the fact that when you ask a korean person oh where should i go a lot of them will say like oh you should go to gyeongju because there's lots of history and the food's really good which is also what they there's also what they would say if they were recommending gyeongju or gwangju because that's true of every korean city of no is that the food's good and there's history there yeah.
Adam:
[6:06] When you when you've told me that and when you've just said it again I did, you know, it's not to say that each city hasn't got its own, you know, characteristics and personality and history and identity specific to itself. But I did, even though you've been to many more places in Korea than I have now, I was quite surprised that you had, what's the word, thought a similar
Cultural Village Experiences
Adam:
[6:33] thing to me so early on in your trip in Korea. and you know a lot of the places especially the villages the sort of cultural villages are they called Han help me out here Booktron this sort of stuff Hanbok Hanok yeah Hanok some of them are so new that, detracts from the experience of walking around them. And I know that might sound, a bit weird to say, but if you've done it, you'll probably know. It doesn't feel like you're going back in time. It feels like they've just taken inspiration from the architecture of the past and built it yesterday.
Alun:
[7:07] Well, I think a lot of it's actually just restored recently. They've been really on top of their restoration to the point where most things are quite new. You know, in a hundred years time, that stuff will still be standing and it will be old again. so that's nice.
Adam:
[7:19] Yeah i suppose so i suppose so but maybe i'm guilty of wanting places to look um you know as they are in my head or sort of really authentic or whatever if i go somewhere and it's like oh this doesn't look as old as i was expecting it to it's too new well.
Alun:
[7:35] Exactly it's all new it's all historical it all tastes great and it sounds the same and that's been.
Adam:
[7:40] South korea.
Alun:
[7:41] So far but i am having a really good time i asked someone why that is the case like why is everything called something Jew. And he said, he was a Korean man, he was the owner of the hostel, and he's told me that Jew just means state or region. So it's just a suffix that means like, you know, historical state or place. And then he said, there's a lot of Jews in Korea.
Adam:
[8:06] Was he joking because he he knows it.
Alun:
[8:09] Means no no no no no what sorry no he just uh he just meant there's a lot of places that end in jew in korea but you know because.
Adam:
[8:19] Jew means yeah i think it's something similar to district isn't it our friend.
Adam:
[8:22] Where is Dan he did a series um where he went to all of the jews i believe in Seoul so if you haven't seen that yet maybe jump over to his youtube and have a look at it because it's pretty good and he's quite funny.
Alun:
[8:36] It's really good yeah i like him a lot i like his face and personality most of all so something that happened though mate i i'd said in in the last episode or the episode before that perhaps i was talking about how i found a little bit difficult to meet people in korea and that problem has been assuaged as i've moved to the more touristy parts i've met more people i've made a really amazing group of friends but with meeting people and interacting more socially it does come with its foibles as well as
The Dorm Room Dilemma
Alun:
[9:09] it's you know it's nice but it's sometimes quite bad.
Adam:
[9:12] Okay I'm interested meeting people is sometimes quite bad.
Alun:
[9:16] Well yeah it can be sometimes maybe because you know I was saying how often as I was traversing Korea I was staying in dorm rooms but I was the only person in the dorm yes as a result of that I was sleeping incredibly well I was like having such restful night's sleep and slowly as I got more down towards the populated areas of Korea the dorm room started filling up and I encountered, something which I'd never encountered before whilst traveling, actually, which I managed to evade for 10 years of travel. This had never happened before, to my knowledge, but it happened to me and it resulted in a really sleepless night.
Adam:
[9:54] Well, be careful what you wish for. Go on. I'm interested, obviously, but I struggle to think with 10 years of travel under your belt and sleeping in, I don't know how many hundreds, if not thousands of dormitories, this one thing that you've evaded, but go on.
Alun:
[10:08] It's a travel anxiety that a lot of people have, and I just never had it because it never happened to me and look if you're of a sensitive nature tune down now because i'm going to talk about birds and also the bees but what happened was someone had sexual intercourse in a bed next to me oh.
Adam:
[10:25] Hello um well i suppose we're going to dive into the topic of whether it's a moral thing to do.
Alun:
[10:32] No we're not i'm going to come out flat out as someone who's been witness to it now i'm going to say it is immoral and there's no discussion needed Ha ha ha.
Adam:
[10:43] Not even if they've wiped their ass with water not.
Alun:
[10:48] Even listen listen here adam i've been traveling for a long time now all right i've been traveling for 10 years i spent my whole adult life traveling during that time i've lived a plethora of experiences wild and wonderful and i've never been held back by any la-di-da's or how do you do's or any of that stuff just i don't want to come across as a prude but also during that time I've never felt the need to have sex loudly in a room full of 10 people I've just honestly it's never come up Adam because I've always, had the mouse to find somewhere else or get a private room or even I mean I'll come out and say it a shower cubicle now this is.
Adam:
[11:34] Topical because this you don't.
Alun:
[11:35] Know where.
Adam:
[11:35] This is going to go but i am going to say something in a minute that is um just happened to me last night and it was uncomfortable um but let's let's continue with yours.
Alun:
[11:43] Now i have also in a manner of universal mutual respect in which i've never gone into a dorm room and done anything untoward i've also been that's been reciprocated by and large by the travel community towards me i've never ever, been woken up by anyone having sex in a dorm room I've been in. Now, Look, I know it happens. Obviously, people have told me about times it's happened to them. I've heard rumors. I've even been in a hostel and someone else has come down from a different dorm room and complained that they were kept up. I'm just saying maybe I've been incredibly lucky for 10 years, but it just never happened to me. And I got complacent. I started to relax. I let my guard down. And then before you know it, I'm in a hostel dorm. I'm woken up by people coming back from a night out. And I think, oh, that's a bit annoying. They put the light on. they've like you know.
Adam:
[12:37] They're brushing their.
Alun:
[12:38] Teeth all that sort of stuff mate i'm telling you manners are out of the window with these kids.
Adam:
[12:43] That is that's do you think there's a chance that you've been sleeping so deeply over the last 10 years that it could have happened potentially but you just haven't noticed it.
Alun:
[12:52] I'm not willing to rule out that possibility.
Adam:
[12:55] Yeah the the light on is out of order it really is because even when i think brushing.
Alun:
[13:01] Your teeth in the middle of the The dorm room is out of order.
Adam:
[13:05] In the middle of the dorm room at night.
Alun:
[13:07] Yeah, they were brushing their teeth out in the open, Adam.
Adam:
[13:10] What? I mean, there will be people, surely.
Alun:
[13:13] At least I think that's what was going on. It was an electric toothbrush. It was making a hell of a buzzing sound.
Adam:
[13:18] And it smelled a lot like mint. There was, there's a, there's, there is people, there should, there must be. I mean, it's just a numbers game. There must be people listening to this show now who have been affected by the topic we're talking about. Either they are people who have had sex in a dorm, and not just a dorm like the ones you're sleeping in in Korea where there haven't been anyone, because then it's fine. Obviously, that's almost like a private room. But there will be people who have chosen to have sex or whatever's happened. And there will be people who are listening to this show who have heard people having sex. Yes. It is a big topic and it does happen. And we don't want to turn the people off who have done it and didn't regret it and don't think that this is an issue. They just think it's...
Alun:
[14:04] I do want to turn them off.
Adam:
[14:07] It's purely logistical. It's through a lack of options and a very high emotional drive.
Alun:
[14:13] There's never a case where that's like, look, I'm sorry. I understand that maybe the travel community is divided on this and people think, Free love, man. Let me do it wherever I want, baby. be i just want to do it you're just jealous yeah yeah of course i am i'm terribly envious of your beautiful no do you know what what it was mate i don't want to have to listen to someone else's clumsy ill performed fumblings in the night.
Adam:
[14:43] Oh it's a mate was their conversation just out of interest.
Alun:
[14:46] All i'm aware of is that they came home There was noise. I tried to go back to sleep and then I was aware that something had begun that I obviously felt uncomfortable putting an end to.
Adam:
[14:59] Oh so you had to just endure it.
Alun:
[15:01] There were curtains available now what so what do you do in this situation and someone else tell me because i do think it's immoral and i do think there's no place for it basically my stance is i'm a sex positive guy and i love the idea of people having sex with each other but i think there's no reason
to do that in a public dorm room i think if you've gone into a dorm room you've essentially signed a social contract to say if something happens tonight i will spend extra money or go somewhere private i a shower cubicle and then you know i'm not going to flaunt it in everyone's face yeah do we agree on that.
Adam:
[15:40] I think i think that's it has to be the only way and i mean even people that have done the opposite of that and have you know committed the heinous crime of having sex in a shared space um against the will of the others subjecting them to who knows what would even agree with you i think.
Alun:
[15:59] That's the right thing we've all made mistakes but you know it's time to repent it's not okay it's i genuinely don't think it's okay the light on sorry.
Adam:
[16:07] The light just just so you know where.
Alun:
[16:09] I stand.
Adam:
[16:09] On this the light on and the brushing of the teeth and when you say they came back from a night out i'm assuming it wasn't at 9 p.m it must have been a you know it was like 3 a.m yeah that is that i would be livid and I'm not even I'm not even that bothered about the fact they've turned the light on and they're brushing their teeth and it's woken me up that's not what I'm annoyed about I'm annoyed at the fact they think that's fine like I was annoyed at the whole thing I honestly.
Alun:
[16:37] I've never endured half an hour of the more of more poorly executed physical.
Adam:
[16:44] But how you couldn't see you were just listening Is that what's going on?
Alun:
[16:49] I could hear that whatever was going on wasn't happening fast enough.
Awkward Dorm Encounters
Adam:
[16:58] Okay I mean how much detail are we going to go into talk to me about the room what's the the format the layout where are.
Alun:
[17:03] You in a 10-bed dorm stacked like you know I was on a bed but no one was above me but this is where it gets really bad right because the person the guilty offender the the someone the girl that brought someone home with her that night.
Adam:
[17:19] He wasn't even staying in the hostel.
Alun:
[17:21] I don't think so. And the person above her, I think, really liked her because I'd seen them hanging out. And I think basically what happened was they went out together. She ended up bringing someone home. And the guy above her had to endure her having sex on the bunk below him. And she was, I think it must have been horrible for him.
Adam:
[17:42] Oh, no.
Alun:
[17:44] Oh, no.
Adam:
[17:45] That's not nice. That's not nice. we know how quickly attractions can form when you're in a hostile environment you're meeting interesting very sexy people so they went out together he's maybe thinking god i would love to spend some more time with this person yeah and she's met someone.
Alun:
[18:02] She's brought him back.
Adam:
[18:04] He's thinking at the very worst at the very worst it's going to be a three-way you know at least i'm getting some action and.
Alun:
[18:10] Then he's had to climb the ladder whilst her and that guy get in the bunk below him i think it's so horrible.
Adam:
[18:16] He's trying to read the room while everyone's brushing their teeth he's thinking well she's doesn't seem that interested in all honesty um yeah that's yeah that is awful that is awful have did you speak to anyone the morning after or after no she.
Alun:
[18:31] Was packing her bag the next morning and i was so angry and sleep deprived and
Impressions of the Morning After
Alun:
[18:35] miserable that i just didn't even look her in the eye.
Adam:
[18:37] Yeah the bringing someone back who's not in your hostel in that context. I mean, we can't judge. We don't know these people. We don't know what the story was.
Alun:
[18:47] I'm judging, mate. I am judging. I'm really judging the whole thing.
Adam:
[18:50] Yeah. Little did she know that this was going to go live on an episode of the best travel and adventure podcast in the UK. But I do think it's immoral. I do think it's inconsiderate. and and maybe she regretted it maybe it was just a an opportunistic kind of drunken thing that.
Alun:
[19:08] Happens and well i'm interested in hearing what our audience has to say because i do think that the travel community is divided on this and i've come down with a very hard stance so send us a message on our website topologypodcast.com or you know just let us know what you think about it i was so sleep deprived mate i they switched the light on i was upset i started just going on my phone in the night did.
Adam:
[19:32] You make them did you make it known to them by what you were doing your behavior or making noise or whatever did you think they knew that you were awake.
Alun:
[19:38] No i don't know mate but i i was more silent than i should have been i wish now that i'd spoken up because i think it would have been within my rights to say something wouldn't i absolutely yeah i think to say excuse you.
Adam:
[19:55] I do think um you you couple of clowns come over here um the i do think that the travel community is actually in a the the majority of people would agree with you i think or are we are we just part of the old guard is that what it is now am i are we.
Alun:
[20:15] Too that's my fear mate that's my fear my fear is that we're part of the old guard but that's why i want to take the pulse of the travel community writ large but yeah i was on my phone in bed and i was just searching for a way to make the madness end and i stumbled across a company that i thought maybe could help it's a sleep mask company like the rolls royce of sleep masks i found they're called manta they make like completely light blocking uh masks yeah complete and and i thought that would have helped go some way towards not being woken up maybe if i was wearing a sleep mask maybe the light switching on wouldn't have woken me and maybe if the light switching on wouldn't have woken me i wouldn't have had to endure the clumsy fumblings of 19 year old backpackers who don't know right from wrong and maybe.
Adam:
[21:05] If they'd had something in their mouths.
Alun:
[21:07] I reached out to manta and i said look i'm right now I'm in a horrible situation. Can you save me? And... What, mid...
Adam:
[21:18] Hang on, you sent an email or some sort of form of communication mid-save? You did this while this was all going on?
Alun:
[21:25] Yeah, it was a live thing. I sent a message to Manta saying, right now I'm suffering, and I think you guys could have helped. Could you help me? And I'll keep you guys posted on what the response from, because I have received a response from Manta, and I'll keep you guys posted on what happens with that, because I do think they were perhaps the only company that could have saved me.
Adam:
[21:47] If you're listening to this, and you didn't already know that Alun works around the clock, now you do know. taking the opportunity while he's been woken up by people having sex in his dorm and he thinks there is no better time to send an email where there might be a commercial opportunity for the show i had to tell someone.
Alun:
[22:03] That had an award-winning podcast at that.
Adam:
[22:05] Point and it wasn't going.
Alun:
[22:05] To be them so it had to be manta.
Adam:
[22:07] Mate i'm just good because it's because it's um, topical because it's appropriate for this this conversation right now i'll just tell you two things there was a conversation going on in the hostel where i am now verandas in auckland stay here if you're here, it's wonderful, about that sort of thing. If you happen to be with someone, if you happen to form a very brief romantic relationship, connection, whatever, and you were to sleep together, Would you sleep with them in the dawn? And this was just last night. So it's very topical that we're talking about it. And I said, well, there are other places, private places. Because between me and you and the listening audience, we've had this conversation many a time. There are other places in a hostel, usually, where you can go, where you can get a bit of privacy. It might be.
Alun:
[22:57] Easily.
Adam:
[22:58] Yeah. It might be very late night in a common room. It might be the kitchen, if you're feeling adventurous. or it could be the aforementioned bathroom shower cubicle whatever and i i wasn't even in the chat i was walking through the room when i was hollered at and they said here adam what do you think of this and that was my answer what's the effect of yeah and one person in the group said you're so cheap why wouldn't you book a private room, And I went, what? No, that's not what I'm saying. I would also do that. I mean, I think that's probably the best thing to do. And they were like, I don't know, you're a cheap arse. You wouldn't do it. You wouldn't do it. You would just take someone in the shower. And it became this awful thing that was built up where the one person thought I was being serious. And I just couldn't explain myself out of it because they had so much sway over the rest of the group. And I just went, I'm going. I'll see you later.
Alun:
[23:53] Um well you know private rooms obviously preferable in some sense but let me you know let's make a little flow chart of decision making you've met someone you like them you want to be intimate with them you've got the option then obviously if you're a luciferian you can go into the dorm room no or you can let's say your two options are private room or shower cubicle now the private room is obviously optimal for a number of reasons because uh it's comfortable and it's private but it is expensive whereas a shower cubicle is free and comes with the added benefit that the noise of the shower itself provides audio cover i.
Adam:
[24:40] Mean you're you're speaking sense of course you are the added benefit of a private room of course is that you can just stay there and sleep afterwards and there's maybe less pressure you know um maybe a little morning sesh if you're feeling up to it if you wake up with a with an hour or two to spare before checkout time for the cleaner bangs on the door um but you are right of course but then maybe some people would be alarmed at the fact at 3 a.m you are having a shower i don't know i don't know maybe some people are listening more.
Alun:
[25:07] Than historically people seem to be quite accepting of as long as the shower
The Shower Cubicle Debate
Alun:
[25:11] It's not an en suite to the dorm room, usually it's like...
Adam:
[25:15] And it's very hygienic, it's very hygienic. There was another quick story I wanted to share with you, just to see what your thoughts are on this, because it is in the same theme. When I was in Koh Tao all those years ago, back in 2015, I was doing my diving, as a lot of people who listen to this show and people that have been around Southeast Asia. Back then, it was the cheapest place to do the paddy, whatever it was. What is it? The advanced open water or whatever. So I was there for a couple of weeks and ended up doing my diving. And I had met this girl who was in a swimming pool, I think it was, at some sort of bar.
Adam:
[25:50] And we got chatting and she was really nice. I'd actually seen her in a different bar the night before. she was a little bit older i was 25 she's 32 she'd been traveling a long time and um she's very attractive very attractive indeed she's from boston and very quickly very early on um i told her that i was moving out of my accommodation and she said well i've got a private room it's like a small sort of apartment or studio do you want to just share it with me and i was like oh okay yeah cool is there two beds or what no she said no it's a double bed i was like okay this is this is very exciting this is happening quick um and then we had a kiss in the pool and whatever and it was the end of that we went out that night together um but i had the exam the theory exam of my open water the following morning and i'd spoken to my dive instructor that that evening and they said look you're going to be getting up at 5 a.m it's a super early one we'll go out for a little dive in the morning and then you'll have to do your test afterwards when we come back in from the water so i was taking it seriously obviously this is a few hundred quid or whatever it was i wanted to wanted to do it so i um i came back early on and she she she came back and tried it on but because because i was like up studying or whatever i was doing i just wasn't interested i like pushed her away and um i said no no i've really got to get some sleep i mean i've got to be up really early i'm getting up at 5 a.m and this is i've got my exam tomorrow morning.
Adam:
[27:22] Yeah and she was like okay that's cool whatever and she went back out, And then she came back an hour later with a different guy. And they asked me to leave while they could have sex in the room. And I went, sure. And I left. And that was it.
Alun:
[27:42] That's outrageous.
Adam:
[27:43] Yeah. And then I went back in the morning. And I can't remember what I did. But yeah, I just hung around or whatever, did an all-nighter. And it was pretty weird. you.
Alun:
[27:55] Just stayed up.
Adam:
[27:56] Around the city you know you know in these lovely resorts where it's hot and sunny for a lot of the year they've got these kind of outdoor couches sometimes they're very open planned uh and then it just goes onto the beach and then into the water i think i just slept on one of those with a stray dog or something um but uh sorry but i just thought it was um, i thought it was just so bizarre you know i mean she was she was it's.
Alun:
[28:21] Quite evil isn't it.
Adam:
[28:22] Yeah i mean he actually i remember the guy good looking guy it's really tall dutch guy, shaved head bright blue eyes nice bloke i mean he probably didn't know that i was going to be in there and he came in and went don't worry mate i won't be long i hope i hope to high hell he didn't think that she was my girlfriend because then it would have been really dark and sinister but um, because i'm not into that right so um anyway um it is very interesting i will remember that for the rest of my life I really will.
Alun:
[28:54] Yeah now the listening audience will as well what an interesting episode adam i would like to hear people's perspective on it because you know maybe me and you now both in our 30s maybe it's a changing of a guard and maybe now it's perfectly acceptable to but but i like that part of the culture of backpacking and travel was the private room shower dilemma and and people just stayed out of the dorm rooms there's been a lot of impoliteness going on the dorm rooms someone right as well just quickly just because it's in the same theme i was in a dorm room and on across from me on the top bunk someone started having a proverbial mukbang eating noodles and stuff like that about midnight yeah.
Adam:
[29:38] It's um hostile etiquette as i mean it's it's crumbling away.
Alun:
[29:43] It's gone out the fucking window mate i don't know what to do about it honestly like i say this is an anxiety that people have i've gone on like online backpacker forums and stuff not in search of this particularly like i'm so i need to find out um just over my career as a backpacker i've seen people go like oh i want to stay in hostels but i'm worried about people having sex in the room oh really um yeah it's like an anxiety that people have oh.
Adam:
[30:10] My god I mean, I'm learning this for the first time.
Alun:
[30:13] I always took the stance of like, it's really unlikely. Like, you'll never experience it. I never have. But in the last week, I've experienced a midnight feast and some really clumsily, awfully performed sexual intercourse.
Adam:
[30:30] Well, there you have it, team. So let's galvanise the travel community. Let's get everyone together. Get your messages in. Let us know what you think. Whose side are you on?
Alun:
[30:39] Yeah.
Adam:
[30:39] We're both in agreement I do think it's inconsiderate to do that I can understand that it happens of course we're empathetic we've been around the block we know we know what goes down and what goes down and that sort of stuff, Some people just can't control themselves. But yeah, what a fun episode. What a real episode. And I do agree. It is unlikely. If you are listening to the show thinking, actually, I do have that anxiety and it has been a barrier for me. I am worried about sleeping in dorms and hostels and stuff. And you're of the opinion, for whatever reason, that people are just shagging all the time. That isn't the reality. It's not.
Alun:
[31:16] It hasn't been up to this point.
Adam:
[31:18] But maybe the younger generation who knows i'm staying in hostels now and have been in new zealand and as far as i know it's not quite as um wild and as exciting as all of that sort of stuff people have got a little bit more uh class no i don't know if i want to say that but you know what i mean.
Alun:
[31:33] There you go well if you enjoyed this conversation rest assured you'll enjoy our patreon where it's conversations like this every single week whereas this was an unusual episode of Tripology. It was not an unusual episode of the Lost and Found section over on our Patreon, and there's a link in the description if you want to just hear more sort of stuff like this, but every single week instead. But right now, we'll go there. Let's go to the Patreon section right now. It takes place after the theme music.
Adam:
[31:59] Thanks ever so much, guys. We'll see you there. Bye-bye.
