Slow Travel vs Fast Tourism: Which Is Right For You?
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Are you a Slow Travel supporter or a Fast Tourism fan? This week’s hot topic is the ongoing travel debate between Slow Travel and Fast Tourism. But which style of travel is right for you? Receiving the question from a listener into the Hostel Common Room, we share our thoughts and experiences on both travel styles. Will Adam & Alun finally agree on something?
Alun’s still surfing in Siargao but a brief lapse in concentration results in him being locked out of his apartment. With no answer from the Landlord, the only answer is to break in… Is it still a crime to break into your own apartment? Perhaps not if you remove an entire window?
Tales of a Trip returns with a creepy-crawly story from a remote cattle station in Queensland, Australia. Travel gives you the opportunity to experience new things, including spiders bigger than your hand! The fairytale ending is out there… somewhere.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:06 - Alun's cave-cove diving adventure
06:29 - Alun's distracted and guilty of breaking and entering
12:21 - Hostel Common Room: Slow Travel vs Fast Tourism
21:19 - Tales of a Trip: monster spider on a cattle station in Queensland, Australia!
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TRANSCRIPT
Alun:
[0:02] Hello and welcome to this episode of Tripology. It's the only backpacking show where the hosts put on backpacks and leave the house in the morning. I'm Alun and I'm here with the ever daring Adam.
Adam:
[0:15] Wicked show this week, mate. We're going to find out what the hell you've been up to for the last little bit. We've also got Hostel Common Room, an email from a listener, and then we've got everyone's favourite section of the show is Tales of a Trip, where we hear from a listener. It's going to be a little voice note to get you inspired to travel.
Alun:
[0:29] Oh that'll help keep everyone engaged won't it they switch on their favorite podcast and they get to hear oh we're gonna hear about what i've been up to in the last week yeah everyone's all excited for that.
Adam:
[0:39] You're the main event Alun you're the main event.
Alun:
[0:40] Exactly you know what i told you a while ago that i've rented a motorcycle it's nice isn't it when you rent a motorcycle because it opens up doors that were otherwise closed i've been zipping around on that of thing ever so much.
Adam:
[0:54] Right yeah yeah yeah opens up doors in in terms of allows you to to reach far away places you mean.
Alun:
[1:00] Yeah it opens up doors in the way that only a vehicle can i've been whizzing about me i tell you what i went to a little road trip to sohatong cave it's a like it's a cove system actually more of a cove than a cave some people call it sohatong cove um it's really beautiful you have to ride on your motorcycle down to dapa which is the nearest big city to where i am in chargau get on ever such a lovely little boat ride that boat for about an hour they said it was half an hour it was more like an hour you get to this whole new island and go through a series of coves caves you dunk yourself down you'll see jellyfish ever so many jellyfish there there's limestone inlets little things it's very beautiful them i highly recommend it okay.
Adam:
[1:48] So first question are the jellyfish dangerous.
Alun:
[1:50] Well they i was told that these jellyfish would not sting but we sort of were in under the water and it's very tempting to play with a jellyfish when you're in the water especially when you've been told that he's not stinging jellyfish so me and my swiss friends we were being good-natured with the jellyfish he was swimming over to us we were free diving down with snorkels we sort of gave him a little touch no harpoons No harpoons this time, but I'm not entirely convinced that he didn't give us a very tentative stinging.
Adam:
[2:22] I can imagine that when a jellyfish stings you, maybe not like a box jellyfish, I think they're fairly deadly, aren't they? But otherwise, it's more like a sort of tingle. You know when you get sunburned and your skin feels like it's tingling? Is it similar to that?
Alun:
[2:35] Yeah, well, it's happened a few times in the Philippines where someone local has told me, those jellyfish don't sting. And then I felt something which feels remarkably similar to a sting. But I sort of feel a bit like I've been gaslighted into thinking that wasn't a jellyfish sting. What happened there was your skin just started hurting moments after touching that jellyfish.
Adam:
[2:56] God, okay, so you're there with your mates. You're playing with the jellyfish. You're in the caves and the coves.
Alun:
[3:01] Yeah, exactly. there was one bit where everyone had to swim down and hold your breath for eight seconds as you go underneath this limestone rock and then enter into a new cave system and as someone who's previously bragged on the podcast that i can hold my breath for four minutes when you're in a situation where you absolutely have to hold your breath for any period of time even like eight seconds that is much harder than holding your breath for for four minutes in a situation where you could just breathe if you had to yeah.
Adam:
[3:34] Yeah no i get that i get that what i'm trying what i'm visualizing here mate is is it like an air pocket or like you say another cave system so you've almost got to swim underneath a rock and then arrive up into a that scares the shit out of me that does i've seen a couple of movies where that is sort of the plot and it goes tits up fairly sharpish.
Alun:
[3:55] Yeah it's scary isn't it because you think, what if I went down, come up, hit my head, float down to the bottom like an aforementioned jellyfish? What actually happened was I came up and
there was an absolute plethora of other tourists on the other side. It was almost like I entered into a little Filipino portal into Europe. It was quite amazing. The number of Scandinavians, Germans, British people, a couple of americans down there before going under the water i was in a sort of filipino limestone paradise it was very beautiful it was very amazing i dunked my head under held my breath for eight seconds came up i was in sort of like a little cavernous cafe somewhere in paris that's.
Adam:
[4:37] So funny he thought i'm going back that um that really does scare me i've done a fair amount of night diving and also wreck diving now i always tell people that i really like wreck diving but there was one wreck dive I did, which I think was actually off the coast of Malaysia. It was a sugar boat that had deliberately been sunk so that it could be used as a dive site. And I remember swimming through the boat, one of the corridors or something, and there was things growing at that point. It had been sunk 20, 30 years ago or something. And I've never been so aware of my own dimensions swimming through a corridor like that, because I'm... Maybe I've just seen one too many films, but I was so scared that I would be stuck there and end up drowning that for a few minutes it completely ruined the dive for me.
Alun:
[5:26] That's called proprioception, Adam, for you and for our interesting lexically minded listeners. Proprioception is your sense of where your limbs are in space around you. And it is indeed, you know, you have to be very proprioceptive when you're doing that sort of thing, haven't you?
Adam:
[5:44] Yeah, because not only, it's got nothing to do with just how big your body is, but you've also got a tank on your back as well. So it's quite likely, because you're not used to walking around with a tank on your back, it's quite likely that you think you've got enough clearance to go through a hole, but in actual fact your tank gets stuck. And then, you know, before you know it, your legs being wrapped up by seaweed and a couple of jellyfish, and maybe you drown to death.
Alun:
[6:06] Precisely, but I did enjoy the Sooton Caves. I do highly recommend it as a little activity if you're in the Philippines. But the real adventure for me came very much when I got home, got home sort of late afternoon, drove the motorcycle all the way back half an hour towards my house. I was ever so excited to just drop my stuff off, have a quick shower, and then I was going to go out for dinner with my friends. And I'm doing that thing. It's happened a lot to me at the moment, mate. And I think we might need an intervention. I get ever so slightly distracted by something as I'm doing something else. So I'm leaving the house. I'm thinking, oh, this is going to be great. I'm going to go for dinner. My room, my bedroom door here has one of those buttons on where you push it
and it just locks irreparably. You know the kind?
Adam:
[6:49] On the inside?
Alun:
[6:50] Yeah. So I'm getting ready to lock the house. I lock the bedroom door, leave my keys on the desk. I go in and do something else. I'm on my phone. I leave the room. The second that door shuts, I think, oh, you bastard. You fucking locked the keys in the room, didn't you? I knew immediately. I was like, I didn't even have to check, oh, where are my keys? I just knew. I was like, oh, you absolutely messed up.
Adam:
[7:11] Yeah.
Alun:
[7:12] So now the dynamic is my keys are locked in my bedroom. I'm supposed to go out for dinner. I'm in sort of the kitchen area of my house, but I can't lock the house because my keys are in the bedroom. And I really don't know what to do. So I messaged my friends and I'm like, oh, I really can't come for dinner because my house is open and I can't get into the bedroom. I messaged my landlord and say you know i'm locked out she doesn't reply message doesn't even go through and i'm in a sort of prickly situation here because my mind starts racing i'm like well you know in a few hours it's going to be time to go to bed do i like sleep on the kitchen floor it's incredibly hot it's sweltering if you've not got air con it's absolutely ruthless i was completely out of options mate what would you do in this situation because you've messaged your landlord no reply yeah the keys are inside the building there's no spare key around anywhere i mean what do you do in a situation like that.
Adam:
[8:07] Well you've got to scan the place for ways to get in i guess is there any any way you can get into the room i don't know how far i'd be prepared to go to be honest if i found a window or something but um you gave it you already tried to like dislodge the the handle or something to try and i don't know jolt the door open or.
Alun:
[8:25] I was trying that's amazing where your mind goes in a pickle like this because i'm quite handy with a lockpick i thought if i could get a bobby pin and sort of a tension wrench i reckon i could have this door so you sort of like go out frantic on the street looking for women that have their hair up thinking can i have a bobby can i have a bobby pin can i i want to pick my own lock i promise it's my lock i've just locked up my house hi i just want to go for dinner can i borrow a hair pin you kind
of end up in a slightly frantic situation what happened in the end mate is there's a there's a window to my bedroom a metallic framed window right which seems impenetrable and I mean essentially cut to me, On top of my kitchen counter, a fan pointing at me so that I don't overheat while I'm doing this. I managed to rock the window just enough that it sort of slanted out of its frame, popped the whole frame off the metal window, managed to take both of the windows out, crawl through the gap that was created, get the keys, open the door, and I was only 15 minutes late for dinner.
Adam:
[9:25] What an absolute nightmare. Yeah. Hang on. So just to get this straight, there's a window from your kitchen into your bedroom.
Alun:
[9:32] Yeah. The picture on the screen right now, if you go to YouTube or you're watching the video podcast of this metallic frame, I basically just managed to very, very carefully dislodge that whole thing, break into my own bedroom via that process.
Adam:
[9:45] And then what was the fallout from that? Were you able to replace the window frame without anyone noticing or did you just own up to your landlord and say, hey, you should have answered your message?
Alun:
[9:54] No, there was almost no consequences. I managed to replace the window perfectly. So my suggestion to anyone in a situation like that would be to remain calm and see if there's any way that you can commit a crime on yourself in order to achieve entry.
Adam:
[10:10] Well what do you do now then what's the sort of takeaway when you're leaving when you're leaving your room now because you know that if you press that lock and you haven't got any you haven't got everything with you yeah it's uh it's game over i suppose now you know now you've got a way in you don't really care if you do that anyway yeah.
Alun:
[10:25] No i've actually been using the windows my primary method of entry it's.
Adam:
[10:28] Actually made me worse.
Alun:
[10:29] If anything i'm clicking that button every time locking my door behind myself and climbing in
the window at the end of the day.
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Alun:
[11:46] Adam, we've got ever such a beautiful website, tripologypodcast.com. It's absolutely chock full of features. One feature is you can go to the contact form there and type in a question, the Hostel Common Room question for you or I. You can ask us all kinds of questions like, are there any keychains you would recommend for travel? Oh, Alun, how'd you get salt water out of your hair after a long day of surfing? That sort of thing. And I've received little word that a listener has done just that. And Adam's going to read us a lovely email as we enter the Hostel Common Room.
Entering the Hostel Common Room
Adam:
[12:31] We do have a lovely entry into the hostel common room we always love hearing from you so please send your messages in uh we do have some that we can't read out but this week i've chosen one that i can read out and we've got what.
Alun:
[12:41] Ones can we not read out if people have been sending naughty things into the hostel common room.
Adam:
[12:45] Maybe we'll share those in the uh in the patreon section sign up to patreon.com forward slash topology podcast and you can hear all of the other content that we just can't share on the show when there's an advert involved.
Alun:
[12:58] Saw an email come into the hostel common room the other day it just said adam not safe for work.
Adam:
[13:03] We've got an email here lovely lovely listeners emailed in um and the the title of the email is slow travel with about 16 letter o's so here we go it's from jacob over in denmark and jacob says greetings from denmark i'm binging your podcast it's awesome i went on a four-month backpacking trip in australia and Southeast Asia when I was 19 years old and made the mistake of rushing through, usually staying about two nights in each place. I had so much fun, but it was also exhausting to constantly be on the move. I had planned to work on a farm for one month in Australia, but left after four days due to horrendous working conditions. We feel you, Jakob. Because the rest of my trip was already planned, I ended up staying in Sydney for almost a month, not really doing much besides hanging out at the hostel, going to the beach and walking the streets of Sydney. The funny thing is that when I now look back at my trip, my time in Sydney stands out as some of the best. It almost felt like I was living in the city for a very short while and not just visiting as a tourist. I'm now planning on going on a long trip and would like to move at a much slower pace. I would love to get your advice on slow travel. From your experience, are there any places that are better for this way of travel or that attract like-minded travellers what about staying in hostels for longer periods it would be awesome to get your thought on fast versus slow travel in general.
Alun:
[14:18] Yeah yakob you beautiful topologist thanks for sending the email yes slow travel versus fast
travel i have to say i have to confess to being i've had a penchant for both styles during my tenure as a traveller because i think they're good for different things they're good for different stages of life and i think it's important to experiment with both and see what you like. There's a lot of people that do away with fast travel just because of the sound of it. They think, oh, that sounds all hectic and horrible. They're usually the same kind of people that say, I don't really like cities. I like to stick to the countryside. And there's other people for whom fast travel is all they've ever known, all they can afford really. They just want to cram as much as possible into a very short trip. That's valid too. I myself think it's important sometimes to see all the things that you want to see in a place and sometimes you only have a month visa and you might want to cram a lot in but there's other times in life where it's really good just to slow down like right now i've been in this one little island for two months and i'm having a whale of a time i'm still packing a lot of things into my day in chargau but those things are like accumulating skills surfing jiu-jitsu doing the podcast that sort of thing so i think uh there's times to step on the gas and there's time to shift into a lower gear and slow the F down.
Adam:
[15:40] I think it's a really interesting question, mate, and let's see whether you agree with my take on this and we can use you as an example for this. If you're going to go to Siargao in the Philippines as a backpacker, as a tourist, how long do you think you need in Siargao to do the things that you would typically want to do?
Alun:
[15:57] Oh, I mean, if you were just doing the things, you could really be done in a week, I would say.
Adam:
[16:03] Right.
Alun:
[16:04] If you just wanted to like surf the cloud nine once, go to Sohoto Cove and maybe flit around, get a vibe of the nightlife, go to some of the beaches, the rock pools, that sort of thing. you could really have a most people stay for about a week.
Adam:
[16:19] Right okay so let's see whether you agree with my theory here and hopefully jacob it helps you somewhat i think that the slow versus track slow travel versus fast travel argument isn't just dependent on the person or the stage i suppose if your purpose is to try and see lots of things wherever you're going i think it also is dependent on the location because there are some places that i don't really want to go on record saying this but i don't think that you really need that long to travel them sufficiently if what you want to do is see the things that people want to see right if you really want to experience somewhere that is rich and has um is complex and is diverse somewhere like india for example we both went to india for about six months and we met people that were only in india for two weeks so somewhere like india i think is at the extreme end of the spectrum where i would say absolutely travel slowly because india has to be experienced that way in order to be somewhat understood i think that doing two weeks in india just isn't doing it isn't doing it um is doing it a disservice but somewhere like luxembourg i'm not saying you know no offense i'm not saying that you can't have a great time being in luxembourg for six months but i just don't think you need that much in order to explore it sufficiently because it's such a small city i.
Alun:
[17:37] Hear what you're saying that's a very like goal oriented way to look at a place I suppose which is completely valid while you're traveling what you're saying is like India is so vast and you can't possibly see everything if you're moving through it fast so going through it slow qualitatively will allow you to get the best out of India but there are times where one situation is you just need a break when I arrived in Tbilisi Georgia I stayed there for a month not because I needed to stay a month in Tbilisi but because I wanted to stop and recoup and reset for a month. So that was where that slow travel became valuable. There's also times where you might want to... Still live a travel lifestyle but put your attention somewhere else like in accumulating skills in a place so one thing you could do is travel as fast as you want or your budget allows and then when you find a place which provides for you the things that you're looking for have the flexibility to take your foot off the gas and slow down a little bit.
Adam:
[18:40] Yeah i think you're very good at that i think it isn't just um a one-size-fits-all kind of approach you need to sort of think about what you need in that moment um and i always think that you come away from countries just living the experience that you've lived and being happy with that whereas i came away from somewhere like india just to use india as the example again wishing a little bit like i'd experienced it differently so i think if you ever manage to visit a country the way that you, think it should be experienced i think you're already onto a win because we stayed in mumbai for about four, four and a half months. And as much as I love Mumbai, it wasn't at all what I thought India would be for me. And it's just, you know, basically motivated me to go back there for even longer next time.
Alun:
[19:23] Yeah. Someone said to me recently, they said, oh, your reality is just a reflection of your expectations. And I think if you go into a place thinking, oh, my experience here, the way I experienced the country has to be A, B and C, you're inevitably either going to be satisfied with that outcome or dissatisfied with it. And I think if you just go to a place and just want to experience it
and you don't prescribe what that should look like, you actually can be surprised then it stops being this prescriptive thing of like oh i need to go slow so i can do a b and c and d it's just you are just living and traveling and experiencing at the pace that the place will dictate.
Adam:
[20:09] Yes so i think in answer to your question jacob both fast and slow travel have their own merits and are better for some places and others and different stages of your life or travels and others i think it's all good and it should be experienced uh together.
Alun:
[20:23] Jakob, go at your own pace, man. Segway from place to place, seeing whatever you want to see. But if you get that special feeling and think, I'm really enjoying this place, slow down, Jakob. It's very important. Zooming off at breakneck speed, Adam, towards the final section of the show. But a lot of people are saying it's their favorite section. It's my favorite section. You told me it's your favorite section. We are, of course, speaking of Tales of a Trip, a beautifully curated item where listeners can go to TripologyPodcast.com forward slash Tales of a Trip and send us a recording of their best travel story. You've just got three minutes to tell us your greatest story, your most beautiful memory, your sexiest experience, your most wild adventure. Send us in a recording like this listener has done. We're going to listen to it right now.
Tales of a Trip:
[21:21] About eight years ago, my friend Michelle and I were in Australia on our working holiday adventure. And we were looking into our second working holiday visa here. So we had to do our so-called farm work, as many of you guys will probably know, if it's still the case anyway. I think so. And we ended up on a cattle station in far north Queensland, which is like in a little triangle area in the far northeast of Australia, right in the middle of it.
Tales of a Trip:
[21:51] Um very interesting we were right in between we were in a sort of cowboy land uh 30 000 cows 80 horses um so much land you can't even imagine it was so big um and 10 up to 25 people who lived there and i'd like to tell you guys about one specific encounter with a animal um i was the cook at the station so on one day one of the days I think it was in the first month or so that we were there I went into the pantry I wanted to get a jar of something from the pantry and just before I literally touched the jar I noticed there was a massive spider right on top of it it was I think it was bigger than my hand which insanely big it was even the boys there thought it was they've never seen anything like it so what i did i pulled out the radio uh system which you do when you're there um and asked for help and boys came and saved me of the spider whoo um and yeah and they were like oh yeah we're gonna play with the spider we're gonna we might kill it they were young younger boys like teenagers working at the cattle station um Boys will be boys in some cases, I
guess. So I feared the spider, but I also felt very bad for it, and so did Michelle.
Tales of a Trip:
[23:20] And so at the end of the day, the boys put the spider in an empty butter jar, like a liter jar, I think. And they put holes on the top and left it there on the counter of the little patio in front of the kitchen. And so Michelle and I were looking at Michelle and I were looking at each other at the end of the night. Everybody went to bed and we're like, OK, now we can't do this. So we took the spider. I mean, we literally gathered all our courage, took the butter jar, walked through the dark, sort of. Threw the spider into the grass somewhere and and ran off then shone a light of sea it's gone took the butter jar put it back in the same place just with the lid like slightly off it so the boys wouldn't say wouldn't wouldn't know and they said it in the morning where'd it go.
Alun:
[24:20] Where'd the spider go those boys sound great don't they iris there what a wonderful, tripological spider savior i'm all for vigilante animal justice in the tripological community adam yeah.
Adam:
[24:34] I know i know i can imagine that that story would speak to you because i think you would have done exactly the same thing i absolutely love the way that iris left the lid off the jar so it almost looked like the spider could have escaped itself.
Alun:
[24:44] Yeah she both allowed i mean she misled the boys and gave the spider a very believable alibi there she was like the spider let itself out are Are you a man who suffers from the most horrendous of phobias, arachno?
Adam:
[24:59] I wouldn't say I'm afraid of spiders, but certainly huntsmen. I've come into contact with one in particular. Funnily enough, I was up in Darwin about 10 years ago.
Alun:
[25:11] Huntsmen weren't even around then.
Adam:
[25:15] I remember 10 years ago when the huntsmen. No, no, no. I was working at someone's house as part of like a workaway exchange. and part of my job was to clean out their garage and they had a lot of stuff in their garage so i was spending yeah a couple of hours a day in there they were big skiers big snowboarders uh they had a couple of boats as well you know what it's like a bit of paraphernalia here there everywhere they've been decorating the house non-stop for the last decades the paint pots and what have you anyway super dusty work and the light in there wasn't
great so i shone a big torch this big sort of lamp similar to the one i'm using now actually in there when i was working And I remember one afternoon, I caught the shadow of my hand go along a wall. And it sort of caught my attention. And then as I moved my arm down, the shadow didn't move with it.
Alun:
[26:04] Oh.
Adam:
[26:05] And I thought, oh.
Alun:
[26:06] You're like, shadow, behave yourself. I'm absolutely sick of you not doing what you're told.
Adam:
[26:13] My body, my choice. No, no, it was the bloody huntsman spider, the size of my hand. I mistook a huntsman spider for the shadow of my hand. So that gives you some idea how big it was.
Alun:
[26:27] Yeah. Or how small your shadow is.
Adam:
[26:30] Yeah. But that house, I mean, the people that listen to this podcast who know who I am and have probably heard this story, that house has quite a sad place in my heart, actually, because it involved the dog that I was walking that unfortunately lost its life. And maybe I'll tell that story in a Patreon section because it is crazy. And my family still mention that story to this day.
Alun:
[26:57] Well, I think about that story. It's one of the first stories you told me, and I think about it almost every time I see a dog. So if you'd be willing, Adam, I would love to have that story in this week's Patreon.
Adam:
[27:10] Yeah, it was the same house. It was the same house.
Alun:
[27:12] Just a word on arachnophobia. I'd like to say, you know, I'm not afraid of spiders, but I do have a phobia of the other arachnid. You know, there's two arachnids. you're in spider arachnid territory or tick arachnid territory. I'm not a fan of the tick. I find them quite a distasteful little arachnid.
Adam:
[27:31] Yeah, they don't do much good. You actually have a phobia of them. Would you say hatred.
Alun:
[27:35] You know like i think those two things are synonymously used in today's world and i'm i'm a tick phobic in the sense that i really dislike them and wish they would leave my life.
Adam:
[27:48] Yeah yeah completely completely i mean they're nasty little buggers and they do a lot of damage i do just want to take the opportunity as well to say thank you so much iris for sending that story in um i do know iris personally and i just want to tell you that she has had some amazing experiences uh on play in places around the world some of which i've shared i've been very lucky to share them with her just a little note on that farm that she was on because, i'm often very jealous of the stories that other people are able to tell and this is one of those let me just give you some context the farm that she was on she told me at the time was about a million acres which is bigger than the province that iris is from in the netherlands the driveway was 120 kilometers long and in order to buy anything from a shop they had to drive for seven and a half hours so it just gives you an idea mate you'll love this as well there was a sermon delivered to them by a pastor every sunday a religious sermon that flew in by plane the.
Alun:
[28:43] Pastor flew in by.
Adam:
[28:44] Plane yeah wow is that not it goes to all the communities in that area that are obviously miles and miles apart but you meet a very specific very different type of person on these cattle stations because they don't really interact with the rest of the world so if you do want an experience like that go to work away they actually met the guy that they end up working for in a bar somewhere else in queensland i believe but just australia is such a wonderful place to to have these, I mean, they're just out of this world, some of these experiences.
Alun:
[29:15] Yeah.
Adam:
[29:15] Because you can't get that far away from anywhere unless you're in a huge country.
Alun:
[29:19] I like the sound of that guy, though, rock and roll pastor, hopping on a private jet, talking about Jesus. Oh, where are you going? Oh, it's Saturday night, my time. I've got to fly out of here back and talk about Jesus in a couple of different films, mate. See you later. Hopping on the jet, going, I mean, what a life he must live. I want to be a rock and roll pastor when I grow up. But for now, mate, we're going to have to talk more about all sorts of crazy goings on in the Patreon section. You're going to tell me about a dog which you unwittingly led to the destruction of. I'm going to talk about ants flying through the house. It's going to be a right back and alien affair over in the Patreon. If you want to get involved in that, it's patreon.com forward slash topology podcast. We're going to head over there now and have ever such a special time. We'll hope that you'll join us. Otherwise, though, for you guys that don't want to fork out some pennies for the Patreon, we'll see you next week.
Adam:
[30:11] We’ll see you there bye.
